Ch. 501If We Succeed, What Will You Do?
Andy questioned Grindelwald about what he would do if they succeeded in creating a Controllable Obscurus, and the two revealed their opposing views on changing the wizarding world. After completing his ritual preparations in Godric's Hollow, Andy considered whether foreign magic obtained through Magical Transformation could also become an Obscurus.
- Andy asked Grindelwald what he planned to do if their experiment succeeded, and Grindelwald said the discovery could advance wizardkind.
- Grindelwald explained how Credence's abuse had helped create an Obscurus, while Andy admitted he did not know how to provoke the emotions needed for one.
- Andy rejected Grindelwald's idea of helping other wizards, saying he wanted immortality and power for himself.
- Andy wished Grindelwald good night, used his Time-Turner, and Apparated to the cemetery in Godric's Hollow to complete his ritual preparations.
- Andy reasoned that magic taken through Magical Transformation might fuse with his mind and become an Obscurus.