Then they realized that they still had much to say about the Flashpoint universe, though Thomas and Martha chose to hide part of it. Instead, they said, "In the universe we came from, after that movie ended, we still walked into that alley. But the Assassin's targets were our child—you all—and he succeeded."
The Flashpoint story was not actually very long, but what saddened everyone most was that, besides Thomas becoming Batman, Martha had become the Joker. None of the Batmen present could imagine what they had gone through.
After hearing all this, Doomsday Batman felt that what he had experienced in his own world was nothing much. He said, "Superman... Superman suddenly went insane. Maybe he had been lying to me all along, so I injected myself with the Doomsday Virus..."
This very predictably earned him a harsh scolding from Thomas and Martha. Martha had now fully remembered what Bruce had been like as a child. She said, "I remember when you first fought with a friend and refused to eat. I told you then: don't punish yourself for someone else's mistakes!"
"I thought I had to stop him..."
"You know you never intended to stop him. You just wanted to die with him, or make him see what you were capable of." As expected of a father who knew his son best, Thomas immediately saw through him. "You wanted to make him regret it, so you chose the most extreme course of action, intending to hurt both him and yourself."
"But he won't regret it. Since he chose to deceive and betray you, it proves that he never cared about you at all. Otherwise, the moment he saw you suffering, he would have chosen to tell you the truth. If he truly cared about you, many things would